Comments on: “Obama and Chinese Netizens” http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/ 我看中国 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:49:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: pug_ster http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7902 pug_ster Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:27:09 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7902 Looks like the Western Media is lying again. They said that is no live broadcast of the town hall meeting in Shanghai yet there are at least 3 Chinese websites have this broadcast live. http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2009/11/17/ah-that-tricky-chinese-propaganda-machine-how-devious-it-is-to-deceive-the-foreign-media/#comment-53738 Looks like the Western Media is lying again. They said that is no live broadcast of the town hall meeting in Shanghai yet there are at least 3 Chinese websites have this broadcast live.

http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2009/11/17/ah-that-tricky-chinese-propaganda-machine-how-devious-it-is-to-deceive-the-foreign-media/#comment-53738

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By: perspectivehere http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7850 perspectivehere Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:40:35 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7850 "No wonder your president has to be an actor. He's got to look good on television." -- observed by the character Doc Brown in the year 1955 in the movie Back to the Future, when overcoming his initial disbelief that Ronald Reagan would be the future U.S. president in 1985. Americans judge and choose their presidents almost entirely based on how good they look and sound on television. This alone explains a great deal of the differences between the U.S. president and the leaders of other countries, including China. “No wonder your president has to be an actor. He’s got to look good on television.”
– observed by the character Doc Brown in the year 1955 in the movie Back to the Future, when overcoming his initial disbelief that Ronald Reagan would be the future U.S. president in 1985.

Americans judge and choose their presidents almost entirely based on how good they look and sound on television.

This alone explains a great deal of the differences between the U.S. president and the leaders of other countries, including China.

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By: The Third Eye http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7825 The Third Eye Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:58:28 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7825 Josh "And there, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly the kind of paranoia that is the reason why the CCP won’t dismantle the firewall. *points to third eye*" 1) lets see the U.S is still following the Truman doctrine ( containment of Communist ) 2) Reinforcing the Military bases around China. 3) supporting the terrorist group like the exile Tibetan groups. 4) Will fight China if China ever "invade" Taiwan. 5) Selling weapons to beef up India. 6) stigmatize China as this new evil empire. please you going to tell me if U.S have the chance to overthrown the government by spread their propaganda they wouldn't do it? Josh

“And there, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly the kind of paranoia that is the reason why the CCP won’t dismantle the firewall. *points to third eye*”

1) lets see the U.S is still following the Truman doctrine ( containment of Communist )
2) Reinforcing the Military bases around China.
3) supporting the terrorist group like the exile Tibetan groups.
4) Will fight China if China ever “invade” Taiwan.
5) Selling weapons to beef up India.
6) stigmatize China as this new evil empire.

please you going to tell me if U.S have the chance to overthrown the government by spread their propaganda they wouldn’t do it?

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By: pug_ster http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7801 pug_ster Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:51:40 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7801 Josh, Personally, I don't think this country will be better in the next 4 years. If we are going to comtemplate the republicans fault this has certainly not solved the issue. Maybe the democratic process is the problem. Stuart, When I voted 2 weeks ago, I wasn't exactly enthuastic because both clowns won't fix the problems. So I picked what I think is the better of the 2 (the one who won't turn the city upside down.) Personally, I would gladly give up my voting rights to get someone who fix the city's problems. Ultimately, you want some offical, elected or not, to produce the better lawn. Custer, There are thousands of illegal mines out there yet china realizes that they can't shut them down because they need coal. Prostitution is illegal in china yet they are needed for 'social stability' of men. Josh,

Personally, I don’t think this country will be better in the next 4 years. If we are going to comtemplate the republicans fault this has certainly not solved the issue. Maybe the democratic process is the problem.

Stuart,

When I voted 2 weeks ago, I wasn’t exactly enthuastic because both clowns won’t fix the problems. So I picked what I think is the better of the 2 (the one who won’t turn the city upside down.) Personally, I would gladly give up my voting rights to get someone who fix the city’s problems. Ultimately, you want some offical, elected or not, to produce the better lawn.

Custer,

There are thousands of illegal mines out there yet china realizes that they can’t shut them down because they need coal. Prostitution is illegal in china yet they are needed for ’social stability’ of men.

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By: C. Custer http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7792 C. Custer Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:10:58 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7792 Yeah, I'd love to hear how corruption is "needed for the future development of China." Pretty sure Hu would disagree with you on that one... Yeah, I’d love to hear how corruption is “needed for the future development of China.” Pretty sure Hu would disagree with you on that one…

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By: stuart http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7791 stuart Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:02:23 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7791 "...it won’t take long when China will take its place." If that happens without significant political reform in China, today's problems are going to seem like a competition between neighbours to see who can produce the best looking lawn. “…it won’t take long when China will take its place.”

If that happens without significant political reform in China, today’s problems are going to seem like a competition between neighbours to see who can produce the best looking lawn.

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By: Josh http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7790 Josh Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:57:26 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7790 Yeah, I'm sorry I forgot about all that stuff. I guess you're right and rather than anything good coming of the Obama presidency, the US will instead implode, its people will revert to tribal hierarchy, and New York City will sink into the ocean. Additionally, I can <i>totally</i> see how human rights abuses like black jails, oppression of rights like freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and government authorized hooligans like the chengguan, added to rampant corruption and outright embezzlement are absolutely necessary for China's development. By the way, I like butter sauce to dip with my river crab. Yeah, I’m sorry I forgot about all that stuff. I guess you’re right and rather than anything good coming of the Obama presidency, the US will instead implode, its people will revert to tribal hierarchy, and New York City will sink into the ocean.

Additionally, I can totally see how human rights abuses like black jails, oppression of rights like freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and government authorized hooligans like the chengguan, added to rampant corruption and outright embezzlement are absolutely necessary for China’s development.

By the way, I like butter sauce to dip with my river crab.

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By: pug_ster http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7789 pug_ster Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:08:58 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7789 Josh, Obama did nothing but postponed the inevitable, US is going to fall on its price on its debt and it won't take long when China will take its place. 20 years ago a US president like Bush or Reagan would lecture China on things like Human rights, but today Obama is basically mum on this. It is because the US doesn't have any more bargaining chips to poke China with and both of them know it. The US being the global hegemony for the last 60 years has nothing but been disastrous, spending money on useless wars while neglecting problems back home like healthcare and national debt. That's the downfall of US, yet they only look at short term band aid solutions, but doesn't see anything 10 years over the horizon. China has its own problems too, like corruption and human rights. I don't like it either yet it is needed to for the future development of China. Josh,

Obama did nothing but postponed the inevitable, US is going to fall on its price on its debt and it won’t take long when China will take its place. 20 years ago a US president like Bush or Reagan would lecture China on things like Human rights, but today Obama is basically mum on this. It is because the US doesn’t have any more bargaining chips to poke China with and both of them know it.

The US being the global hegemony for the last 60 years has nothing but been disastrous, spending money on useless wars while neglecting problems back home like healthcare and national debt. That’s the downfall of US, yet they only look at short term band aid solutions, but doesn’t see anything 10 years over the horizon.

China has its own problems too, like corruption and human rights. I don’t like it either yet it is needed to for the future development of China.

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By: C. Custer http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7787 C. Custer Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:21:48 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7787 @pug_ster: Gotta agree with Josh on this one. He's only been in office for a year, and keep in mind it's harder to run a country when you have an opposition party. How effective would Hu be, I wonder, if there were an entire 24-hour news channel dedicated to exposing his every flaw (both real and imagined) and broadcasting those flaws to the entire nation. I'm not saying Hu couldn't handle that, but it's really not the same sort of thing as running a one-Party country, I don't think. @pug_ster: Gotta agree with Josh on this one. He’s only been in office for a year, and keep in mind it’s harder to run a country when you have an opposition party. How effective would Hu be, I wonder, if there were an entire 24-hour news channel dedicated to exposing his every flaw (both real and imagined) and broadcasting those flaws to the entire nation.

I’m not saying Hu couldn’t handle that, but it’s really not the same sort of thing as running a one-Party country, I don’t think.

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By: Josh http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/11/14/obama-and-chinese-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-7785 Josh Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:00:51 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1507#comment-7785 Pug_ster, Mind elaborating a bit on why you think Obama can't run the US effectively? Contrary to what the republicans are constantly shouting, he's done a pretty good job of pulling the US out of the economic downturn by jumpstarting GDP growth rate and has set the stage for engaging the Muslim world effectively. Given the scope of the amount of problems he has to deal with, I'd say he's done a pretty good job, as opposed to his predecessor who would just decide to avoid certain issues entirely until they became catastrophic. The only thing I've been less than happy with is his weakness on health care reform where he's failed to push effectively for the desired reformation. Pug_ster,

Mind elaborating a bit on why you think Obama can’t run the US effectively? Contrary to what the republicans are constantly shouting, he’s done a pretty good job of pulling the US out of the economic downturn by jumpstarting GDP growth rate and has set the stage for engaging the Muslim world effectively. Given the scope of the amount of problems he has to deal with, I’d say he’s done a pretty good job, as opposed to his predecessor who would just decide to avoid certain issues entirely until they became catastrophic. The only thing I’ve been less than happy with is his weakness on health care reform where he’s failed to push effectively for the desired reformation.

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