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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Attack those who seek audience with higher-ups&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: atomicskate - Shanghai&#8230; &#187; 打击非法上访，维护社会安定</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/27/attack-those-who-seek-audience-with-higher-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-7049</link>
		<dc:creator>atomicskate - Shanghai&#8230; &#187; 打击非法上访，维护社会安定</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] law害 = h&#224;i = to do harm to&#160;&#160;Sources / 来源:王克勤，在路上的记录者ChinaGeeks      &#171; Rollerskating around Tàihú (太湖) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Temporary Coda &#171; The Progressive Internal Critique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temporary Coda &#171; The Progressive Internal Critique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Old Tales Retold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Tales Retold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Josh&#039;s question, I&#039;d say a few things might help: funding local courts entirely from the central government, creating an anti-corruption body like Hong Kong&#039;s ICAC that has no linkages to the state at any level except at the very top , taking away the power of--at the very least---local governments to censor the press, and moving ahead with direct elections for township heads (or county heads and eliminating the township level altogether).  Would township elections sometimes be captured by powerful local interests like clans and businesspeople, as village elections have been?  Yes, but it would be harder for these to control units above a village-level and having more honest township governments would take away an excuse from village officials for wasting money and incompetence, namely that they can&#039;t do anything more meaningful because the township decides everything.  

I imagine Wahaha will rush to tell me that democracy in any form leads to social collapse and then list a bunch of countries that happen to be both democratic and poorly run.  But the point is that the countryside and small towns in China are ALREADY poorly run.  And it&#039;s laughable to use the old &quot;meritocracy&quot; argument when you&#039;re talking about a township government office where everyone is there because of some family member and a ton of the people aren&#039;t even officially on the books but are being paid anyway.  

I suppose another thing could help: that commitment the Chinese government recently made to taping interrogations.  More taping---with public access to some of those tapes on request---could do some good. 

I dunno, though... those are just some ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Josh&#8217;s question, I&#8217;d say a few things might help: funding local courts entirely from the central government, creating an anti-corruption body like Hong Kong&#8217;s ICAC that has no linkages to the state at any level except at the very top , taking away the power of&#8211;at the very least&#8212;local governments to censor the press, and moving ahead with direct elections for township heads (or county heads and eliminating the township level altogether).  Would township elections sometimes be captured by powerful local interests like clans and businesspeople, as village elections have been?  Yes, but it would be harder for these to control units above a village-level and having more honest township governments would take away an excuse from village officials for wasting money and incompetence, namely that they can&#8217;t do anything more meaningful because the township decides everything.  </p>
<p>I imagine Wahaha will rush to tell me that democracy in any form leads to social collapse and then list a bunch of countries that happen to be both democratic and poorly run.  But the point is that the countryside and small towns in China are ALREADY poorly run.  And it&#8217;s laughable to use the old &#8220;meritocracy&#8221; argument when you&#8217;re talking about a township government office where everyone is there because of some family member and a ton of the people aren&#8217;t even officially on the books but are being paid anyway.  </p>
<p>I suppose another thing could help: that commitment the Chinese government recently made to taping interrogations.  More taping&#8212;with public access to some of those tapes on request&#8212;could do some good. </p>
<p>I dunno, though&#8230; those are just some ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: SalmonFish</title>
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		<dc:creator>SalmonFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Josh

&quot;Corruption at the lower levels of government… What is the secret to stopping it?&quot;

Simple: the law and China&#039;s constitution. The real question is how does one change the legal system so that it protects the rights of citizens, and the rights of individual&#039;s, and supports the constitution, rather than simply being a tool of control for the government (and local govs). 

The gov/party must introduce greater transparency in all fields, at all levels, and must somehow cede power - unless there is a power balance, it will always be topsyturvy - to civil institutions and the legal system. Its a deep rut in which China is stuck though in this sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Josh</p>
<p>&#8220;Corruption at the lower levels of government… What is the secret to stopping it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Simple: the law and China&#8217;s constitution. The real question is how does one change the legal system so that it protects the rights of citizens, and the rights of individual&#8217;s, and supports the constitution, rather than simply being a tool of control for the government (and local govs). </p>
<p>The gov/party must introduce greater transparency in all fields, at all levels, and must somehow cede power &#8211; unless there is a power balance, it will always be topsyturvy &#8211; to civil institutions and the legal system. Its a deep rut in which China is stuck though in this sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Custer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chriswaugh: Oh, yup, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chriswaugh: Oh, yup, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswaugh_bj</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswaugh_bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please allow me another moment of pedanticness: &quot;上方&quot; surely should be &quot;上访&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please allow me another moment of pedanticness: &#8220;上方&#8221; surely should be &#8220;上访&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Custer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the bazillion dollar question, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the bazillion dollar question, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corruption at the lower levels of government... What is the secret to stopping it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corruption at the lower levels of government&#8230; What is the secret to stopping it?</p>
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