Comments on: Ai Weiwei: “F*ck Your Mother, Motherland” http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/ 我看中国 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:25:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: ChinaGeeks » Ai Weiwei, Lu Xun, and the Hope of Hopelessness http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-9738 ChinaGeeks » Ai Weiwei, Lu Xun, and the Hope of Hopelessness Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:52:25 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-9738 [...] himself flipping the bird towards Mao’s portrait on Tiananmen or his more recent short film F*ck You Mother, Motherland don’t seem to hold out much hope for the possibility that things are going to [...] [...] himself flipping the bird towards Mao’s portrait on Tiananmen or his more recent short film F*ck You Mother, Motherland don’t seem to hold out much hope for the possibility that things are going to [...]

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By: Stephan Hausmeister http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6160 Stephan Hausmeister Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:07:06 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6160 Proposed performance by Liu Jin for the "Break on Through to the Other Side" festival, East Side Gallery Berlin, Sunday 8 November 2009: http://www.berlin.shi-yu.net Performance title: "Our Song" Performance script: Liu Jin will travel to Berlin to direct a choir spontaneously assembled from members of the audience; one half of the choir will sing the West German national anthem while the other half of the audience will sing the former East German national anthem at the same time (simultaneously). Proposed performance by Liu Jin for the “Break on Through to the Other Side” festival, East Side Gallery Berlin, Sunday 8 November 2009:

http://www.berlin.shi-yu.net

Performance title: “Our Song”

Performance script:
Liu Jin will travel to Berlin to direct a choir spontaneously assembled from members of the audience; one half of the choir will sing the West German national anthem while the other half of the audience will sing the former East German national anthem at the same time (simultaneously).

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By: Stephan Hausmeister http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6159 Stephan Hausmeister Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:58:39 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6159 Unity and justice and freedom For the fatherland! For these let us all strive Brotherly with heart and hand! Unity and justice and freedom Are the pledge of fortune; Flourish in this fortune's blessing, Flourish, fatherland. Flourish in this fortune's blessing, Flourish, fatherland. From the ruins risen newly, to the future turned, we stand. Let us serve your good weal truly, our fatherland! Triumph over bygone sorrow, can in unity be won. For we shall attain a morrow, when over our fatherland, there is radiant sun, there is radiant sun! Unity and justice and freedom
For the fatherland!
For these let us all strive
Brotherly with heart and hand!
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of fortune;
Flourish in this fortune’s blessing,
Flourish, fatherland.
Flourish in this fortune’s blessing,
Flourish, fatherland.

From the ruins risen newly,
to the future turned, we stand.
Let us serve your good weal truly,
our fatherland!
Triumph over bygone sorrow,
can in unity be won.
For we shall attain a morrow,
when over our fatherland,
there is radiant sun,
there is radiant sun!

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By: Old Tales Retold http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6108 Old Tales Retold Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:15:59 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6108 @ Red, Good points. @ Red,

Good points.

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By: red http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6086 red Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:07:14 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6086 There seems to be some confusion going on here. Does Ai Weiwei define "motherland" in his video? If it means the ruling government, maybe it deserves support from people concerned with the social injustice. If it attacks the entire Chinese people, should every Chinese celebrate it or even be grateful for it while being slapped in the face? It is precisely the boundlessness and aimlessness of Ai's criticism that vitiates his power of criticism. China needs more sensible and cool-minded criticism than obscene abuses, no matter how loud they sound. The "Grass Mud Horse" is acceptable precisely because of its humorous reserve and Ai Weiwei should not mistake people's acceptance of it as a kind of masochistic pleasure. He leaves the part of witty social criticism of "Grass Mud Horse" in its battle with the Crab while stripping off its humor by blatantly lavishing vulgar abuses, which is not only meaningless but also gawkily stupid. The analogy between Ai's video and the British song is much less apporpriate than it seems. The song has a definite target of criticism, that is, the monarchy represented by the queen. It was perfectly fine for any British people that were not satisfied with the monarchy to identify with the sentiment. Besides, the "abuses" in the song was not as vulgar as that in Ai's video. The singer of the song may not be deemed as crazy. There seems to be some confusion going on here. Does Ai Weiwei define “motherland” in his video? If it means the ruling government, maybe it deserves support from people concerned with the social injustice. If it attacks the entire Chinese people, should every Chinese celebrate it or even be grateful for it while being slapped in the face? It is precisely the boundlessness and aimlessness of Ai’s criticism that vitiates his power of criticism. China needs more sensible and cool-minded criticism than obscene abuses, no matter how loud they sound.

The “Grass Mud Horse” is acceptable precisely because of its humorous reserve and Ai Weiwei should not mistake people’s acceptance of it as a kind of masochistic pleasure. He leaves the part of witty social criticism of “Grass Mud Horse” in its battle with the Crab while stripping off its humor by blatantly lavishing vulgar abuses, which is not only meaningless but also gawkily stupid.

The analogy between Ai’s video and the British song is much less apporpriate than it seems. The song has a definite target of criticism, that is, the monarchy represented by the queen. It was perfectly fine for any British people that were not satisfied with the monarchy to identify with the sentiment. Besides, the “abuses” in the song was not as vulgar as that in Ai’s video. The singer of the song may not be deemed as crazy.

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By: Old Tales Retold http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6070 Old Tales Retold Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:04:35 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6070 Wahaha, What I'm saying is: that is PRECISELY what the Sex Pistols did (and, yes, they are British). They cursed out the queen of England on TV and then went on tours around the world with pictures of the queen posted up with bands across her eyes and safety pins and all that punk rock stuff. They rented a boat on her jubileum day (what every that is) and blared music up and down the Thames until they were shut down by the cops. But your point holds: people were offended. Americans have similarly been offended by Michael Moore's criticisms of the U.S. at French screenings of his movies. It's only natural, as it is for Chinese. But that doesn't mean artists should stop offending people. Offending and being offended are part of art. So, Ai Weiwei has a role to play and your outrage has a role to play. If, in the end, a useful conversation about patriotism and respect for authority and courtesy and what not ensues, then the art was successful. If not, maybe it wasn't much of a piece. Incidentally, my big complaint with Thailand (which you noted in an earlier example that I somehow overlooked) isn't just that they hassle people about insulting the king, but that anything can conceivably be seen to be an insult to the king. So, when workers criticize a company or go on strike, the king can take offense. Grrr... Wahaha,

What I’m saying is: that is PRECISELY what the Sex Pistols did (and, yes, they are British). They cursed out the queen of England on TV and then went on tours around the world with pictures of the queen posted up with bands across her eyes and safety pins and all that punk rock stuff. They rented a boat on her jubileum day (what every that is) and blared music up and down the Thames until they were shut down by the cops. But your point holds: people were offended. Americans have similarly been offended by Michael Moore’s criticisms of the U.S. at French screenings of his movies. It’s only natural, as it is for Chinese.

But that doesn’t mean artists should stop offending people. Offending and being offended are part of art. So, Ai Weiwei has a role to play and your outrage has a role to play. If, in the end, a useful conversation about patriotism and respect for authority and courtesy and what not ensues, then the art was successful. If not, maybe it wasn’t much of a piece.

Incidentally, my big complaint with Thailand (which you noted in an earlier example that I somehow overlooked) isn’t just that they hassle people about insulting the king, but that anything can conceivably be seen to be an insult to the king. So, when workers criticize a company or go on strike, the king can take offense. Grrr…

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By: Josh http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6069 Josh Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:53:40 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6069 Presumptuous as always, eh, S? Presumptuous as always, eh, S?

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By: 操艾未未全家 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6059 操艾未未全家 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:49:35 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6059 FUCK Your Mother, Ai Weiwei FUCK Your Mother, Ai Weiwei

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By: 操艾未未全家 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6058 操艾未未全家 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:46:22 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6058 艾未未!!我操你全家!! 艾未未!!我操你全家!!

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By: Whahaha http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/08/ai-weiwei-fck-your-mother-motherland/comment-page-1/#comment-6036 Whahaha Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:11:50 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1358#comment-6036 I want to apologize here that I must offend some people with the examples. I just give some examples to show my point, absolute disrespect to your queen or emperor. I want to apologize here that I must offend some people with the examples. I just give some examples to show my point, absolute disrespect to your queen or emperor.

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