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	<description>我看中国</description>
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		<title>By: shuaige</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/02/a-little-reflection-on-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-5804</link>
		<dc:creator>shuaige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does it say after Japan&#039;s evil intentions?  I don&#039;t see the Imperial Japanese army around...  

As for the people who curse out corruption... those are usually the same ones that proclaim themselves patriots for doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it say after Japan&#8217;s evil intentions?  I don&#8217;t see the Imperial Japanese army around&#8230;  </p>
<p>As for the people who curse out corruption&#8230; those are usually the same ones that proclaim themselves patriots for doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The analogy of the government with the author’s “mother” is sentimental and paralyzing.&quot;

Absolutely. And I suspect it&#039;s an analogy authored by the state, similar to the trite example offered about Taiwan as a runaway child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The analogy of the government with the author’s “mother” is sentimental and paralyzing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely. And I suspect it&#8217;s an analogy authored by the state, similar to the trite example offered about Taiwan as a runaway child.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/02/a-little-reflection-on-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Custer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Old Tales Retold: What I find odd about his &quot;mother&quot; analogy is that he&#039;s basically saying &quot;meh, child abuse is a mother&#039;s prerogative...after all, didn&#039;t she give birth to you and clothe you?&quot;

Call me crazy, I think children have the right to not be abused by their parents. Yes, their parents have given them a lot, just like in the future they will give their own children a lot. &lt;em&gt;Suffering abuse&lt;/em&gt; is not repayment for one&#039;s debt to one&#039;s parents. That debt is repaid only indirectly, through raising our own children well. That&#039;s how I see it, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Old Tales Retold: What I find odd about his &#8220;mother&#8221; analogy is that he&#8217;s basically saying &#8220;meh, child abuse is a mother&#8217;s prerogative&#8230;after all, didn&#8217;t she give birth to you and clothe you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Call me crazy, I think children have the right to not be abused by their parents. Yes, their parents have given them a lot, just like in the future they will give their own children a lot. <em>Suffering abuse</em> is not repayment for one&#8217;s debt to one&#8217;s parents. That debt is repaid only indirectly, through raising our own children well. That&#8217;s how I see it, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/02/a-little-reflection-on-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-5798</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Custer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ PH: Sure, but my guess is that the author doesn&#039;t mind, &lt;em&gt;given that he posted it on a site that is &lt;strong&gt;called fenqing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.

The guy (and the site) self-identify as fenqing, so labeling them that seems perfectly legitimate to me, especially since it&#039;s important for people to understand the context of this essay in terms of the Chinese internet as a whole. It&#039;s not coming from some newspaper, it&#039;s coming from fenqing.net.

I do admire your dedication to being offended by that term, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ PH: Sure, but my guess is that the author doesn&#8217;t mind, <em>given that he posted it on a site that is <strong>called fenqing</strong></em>.</p>
<p>The guy (and the site) self-identify as fenqing, so labeling them that seems perfectly legitimate to me, especially since it&#8217;s important for people to understand the context of this essay in terms of the Chinese internet as a whole. It&#8217;s not coming from some newspaper, it&#8217;s coming from fenqing.net.</p>
<p>I do admire your dedication to being offended by that term, though.</p>
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		<title>By: PH</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/02/a-little-reflection-on-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-5795</link>
		<dc:creator>PH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be offensive or anything.

But Fenqing term carries negative connotations even in China. = =</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be offensive or anything.</p>
<p>But Fenqing term carries negative connotations even in China. = =</p>
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		<title>By: PH</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/02/a-little-reflection-on-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-5794</link>
		<dc:creator>PH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@custer:

I came from Haohao report and this is the description: &quot;In honor of national day, a fenqing take on what it means to be a patriot&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@custer:</p>
<p>I came from Haohao report and this is the description: &#8220;In honor of national day, a fenqing take on what it means to be a patriot&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Tales Retold</title>
		<link>http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/10/02/a-little-reflection-on-patriotism/comment-page-1/#comment-5790</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Tales Retold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see plenty of arguments for looking on the bright side in regards to China or, conversely, for highlighting the country&#039;s problems.  It&#039;s the prerogative of the translated post&#039;s author to highlight one set of facts or another set or, better yet, to let the good and bad exist in dynamic tension.

What I disagree with in the post is:

1) The idea that China is faced with lots of &quot;foreign invaders.&quot;  China shares a border with 14 countries.  In contrast, the United States, while roughly the same size as China, is in the enviable position of only having two neighbors, both of which are relatively good friends.  The P.R.C. will always have border disputes.  But that doesn&#039;t mean China is under siege.  In fact, countries like Vietnam are clearly more worried about China than China is of them.  A misplaced &quot;siege mentality&quot; is dangerous.

2)  The analogy of the government with the author&#039;s &quot;mother&quot; is sentimental and paralyzing.  What if the state is just a tool, like a plough?  Can&#039;t we replace it when it doesn&#039;t work as well as we&#039;d like it to work, regardless of its previous contributions?  Or can&#039;t we bend it into shape?  Or what if the state is a horse?  Shouldn&#039;t we then treat it nice (give it hay and stuff) but not let it decide the direction we ride?  

Anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see plenty of arguments for looking on the bright side in regards to China or, conversely, for highlighting the country&#8217;s problems.  It&#8217;s the prerogative of the translated post&#8217;s author to highlight one set of facts or another set or, better yet, to let the good and bad exist in dynamic tension.</p>
<p>What I disagree with in the post is:</p>
<p>1) The idea that China is faced with lots of &#8220;foreign invaders.&#8221;  China shares a border with 14 countries.  In contrast, the United States, while roughly the same size as China, is in the enviable position of only having two neighbors, both of which are relatively good friends.  The P.R.C. will always have border disputes.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean China is under siege.  In fact, countries like Vietnam are clearly more worried about China than China is of them.  A misplaced &#8220;siege mentality&#8221; is dangerous.</p>
<p>2)  The analogy of the government with the author&#8217;s &#8220;mother&#8221; is sentimental and paralyzing.  What if the state is just a tool, like a plough?  Can&#8217;t we replace it when it doesn&#8217;t work as well as we&#8217;d like it to work, regardless of its previous contributions?  Or can&#8217;t we bend it into shape?  Or what if the state is a horse?  Shouldn&#8217;t we then treat it nice (give it hay and stuff) but not let it decide the direction we ride?  </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FYIADragoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>FYIADragoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have posted this in chinasmack so they could have a rage field day with it.  Author of this is quite narrow-minded (if its from FQ.net I guess thats not too surprising), though I like his idea of self-dependence instead of constantly asking for handouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should have posted this in chinasmack so they could have a rage field day with it.  Author of this is quite narrow-minded (if its from FQ.net I guess thats not too surprising), though I like his idea of self-dependence instead of constantly asking for handouts.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Custer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is from &lt;em&gt;fenqing.net&lt;/em&gt;, a website which is &lt;em&gt;called&lt;/em&gt; Fenqing. No one said the essay itself was &quot;fenqing&quot;. Hooray for careful reading skills!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is from <em>fenqing.net</em>, a website which is <em>called</em> Fenqing. No one said the essay itself was &#8220;fenqing&#8221;. Hooray for careful reading skills!</p>
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		<title>By: PH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this Fenqing?  It isn&#039;t.  It&#039;s someone who saw the good in China and is quite optimistic (one could argue too much) about the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this Fenqing?  It isn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s someone who saw the good in China and is quite optimistic (one could argue too much) about the future.</p>
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