Comments on: Ai Weiwei: “All That’s Left is a Grass Mud Horse” http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/ 我看中国 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:48:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Laogai Research Foundation Blog » Blog Archive » Government Waste: Paying Workers to Surf for Porn http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-3033 Laogai Research Foundation Blog » Blog Archive » Government Waste: Paying Workers to Surf for Porn Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:01:38 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-3033 [...] censorship efforts is likely an attempt to cleanse the internet of the thoughts of Ai Weiwei, Liu Xiaobo, and the millions of others who stand against the government [...] [...] censorship efforts is likely an attempt to cleanse the internet of the thoughts of Ai Weiwei, Liu Xiaobo, and the millions of others who stand against the government [...]

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By: C. Custer http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2934 C. Custer Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:26:31 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2934 What's the difference. Everyone in America pays taxes. Maybe they have no federal income tax liability because their income is still low, but they pay taxes: medicare, social security, not to mention sales taxes, taxes on gasoline, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. etc. The only way I could imagine someone in the US were if they were a non-smoking, non-drinking New Hampshire resident (no sales tax) who didn't own a car and worked somewhere that paid social security and medicare benefits as part of their benefits. There might even be a couple people like that, but it's not a statistically significant number. What’s the difference. Everyone in America pays taxes. Maybe they have no federal income tax liability because their income is still low, but they pay taxes: medicare, social security, not to mention sales taxes, taxes on gasoline, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. etc.

The only way I could imagine someone in the US were if they were a non-smoking, non-drinking New Hampshire resident (no sales tax) who didn’t own a car and worked somewhere that paid social security and medicare benefits as part of their benefits. There might even be a couple people like that, but it’s not a statistically significant number.

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By: Wahaha http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2930 Wahaha Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:03:14 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2930 I used American taxpayers, not American people. I used American taxpayers, not American people.

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By: C. Custer http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2915 C. Custer Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:59:16 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2915 Wahaha, most taxpayers get more than $100 in tax returns. And the average taxpayer is not giving $1000 to AIG; that would mean the government was giving AIG over $300 BILLION. The American people <em>won't</em> get all of their money back, it's true. That's what happens when the economy crashes, you lose some money. However, what we will (hopefully) get back is a vibrant economy that offers us job opportunities and lots of other ways to make money. Without that, our money would be worthless anyway. If you live in America, you know things aren't nearly as bad as you're suggesting. I'll grant the Chinese government has more <em>economic</em> control than ours because ours is a more real free market economy, however, American elected officials have plenty of power. That's as far as I'm going to go because, again, this isn't a post about systemic weaknesses in the American governmental system. Wahaha, most taxpayers get more than $100 in tax returns. And the average taxpayer is not giving $1000 to AIG; that would mean the government was giving AIG over $300 BILLION.

The American people won’t get all of their money back, it’s true. That’s what happens when the economy crashes, you lose some money. However, what we will (hopefully) get back is a vibrant economy that offers us job opportunities and lots of other ways to make money. Without that, our money would be worthless anyway.

If you live in America, you know things aren’t nearly as bad as you’re suggesting. I’ll grant the Chinese government has more economic control than ours because ours is a more real free market economy, however, American elected officials have plenty of power. That’s as far as I’m going to go because, again, this isn’t a post about systemic weaknesses in the American governmental system.

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By: Wahaha http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2902 Wahaha Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:47:50 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2902 Damn it, I am living in America. How much tax return does an american taxpayer get in average ? how about $200 ? How much tax does an american taxpayer have to pay to help AIG ? How about $1000 ? (if you know what CDS is, you will know American people will never get this money back, except holding millions of shares of worthless AIG stocks.) TELL ME A WAY AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN GET THE MONEY BACK. No, there is no way American people, the peope that the government is supposed to work for, will get their money back. Now you know how much power YOU have; you know how much power your president has; you know how much power an elected government official has. Damn it, I am living in America.

How much tax return does an american taxpayer get in average ? how about $200 ?

How much tax does an american taxpayer have to pay to help AIG ? How about $1000 ? (if you know what CDS is, you will know American people will never get this money back, except holding millions of shares of worthless AIG stocks.)

TELL ME A WAY AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN GET THE MONEY BACK.

No, there is no way American people, the peope that the government is supposed to work for, will get their money back.

Now you know how much power YOU have; you know how much power your president has; you know how much power an elected government official has.

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By: Netizen Thoughts on Ai Weiwei | ChinaGeeks http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2887 Netizen Thoughts on Ai Weiwei | ChinaGeeks Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:20:02 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2887 [...] of the comments on an Anti-CNN post. Both commenters are responding to Ai’s recent essay, “All That’s Left is a Grass Mud Horse.” (Click that link if you haven’t read our translation of it [...] [...] of the comments on an Anti-CNN post. Both commenters are responding to Ai’s recent essay, “All That’s Left is a Grass Mud Horse.” (Click that link if you haven’t read our translation of it [...]

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By: C. Custer http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2880 C. Custer Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:13:50 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2880 "Now ask yourself : if Russian people had been allowed to ridicule Putin anyway they wanted, would Putin have had the power over the richest man in Russia ?" Yes! What the hell effect does what people are allowed to SAY have on actual POWER? What, is Putin going to go cry in a corner because the mean Russian people said bad things about him? It doesn't matter what they say, he runs the government, which means the power still rests with him. EVERYONE could be saying bad things about him and he still has the power to order people around if he wants. "Now ask yourself again : with the way westerners deprived power from their government, how the hell will a government help its people ?" I think you really need to learn a lot more about how government in the West works (i.e., go to America and live there for a few years) before you try to make these comparisons, because you obviously <em>really</em> don't understand how things work. “Now ask yourself : if Russian people had been allowed to ridicule Putin anyway they wanted, would Putin have had the power over the richest man in Russia ?”

Yes! What the hell effect does what people are allowed to SAY have on actual POWER? What, is Putin going to go cry in a corner because the mean Russian people said bad things about him? It doesn’t matter what they say, he runs the government, which means the power still rests with him. EVERYONE could be saying bad things about him and he still has the power to order people around if he wants.

“Now ask yourself again : with the way westerners deprived power from their government, how the hell will a government help its people ?”
I think you really need to learn a lot more about how government in the West works (i.e., go to America and live there for a few years) before you try to make these comparisons, because you obviously really don’t understand how things work.

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By: C. Custer http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2876 C. Custer Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:50:31 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2876 My point is that criticism of the government LEADS TO RESULTS. So judge by result if you want! What has been the result of Ai Weiwei's project about the students so far? Ai has reported the names and schools of thousands of students; the government has released an official number of students who died. Why does that result not seem to matter to you? My point is that criticism of the government LEADS TO RESULTS. So judge by result if you want! What has been the result of Ai Weiwei’s project about the students so far? Ai has reported the names and schools of thousands of students; the government has released an official number of students who died.

Why does that result not seem to matter to you?

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By: Wahaha http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2875 Wahaha Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:46:20 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2875 C.Custer, I give you two links, tell me what you think : http://sinovision.net/index.php?module=news&act=details&col_id=273&news_id=89253 In this link, a Russian painter ridiculed Putin with painting, and was arrested. ( his human right was offended, right ?) http://sinovision.net/index.php?module=news&act=details&col_id=3&news_id=87619 In this link, Putin publicly embarrassed the richest man in Russia by ORDERING him to do something to help the people. ( would such things possibly happen in a democratic country ?) Now ask yourself : if Russian people had been allowed to ridicule Putin anyway they wanted, would Putin have had the power over the richest man in Russia ? Now ask yourself again : with the way westerners deprived power from their government, how the hell will a government help its people ? Do you love to see Obama tell those wall-street tycoons to shut the f@#$ up ? well, give your government more power. C.Custer,

I give you two links, tell me what you think :

http://sinovision.net/index.php?module=news&act=details&col_id=273&news_id=89253

In this link, a Russian painter ridiculed Putin with painting, and was arrested. ( his human right was offended, right ?)

http://sinovision.net/index.php?module=news&act=details&col_id=3&news_id=87619

In this link, Putin publicly embarrassed the richest man in Russia by ORDERING him to do something to help the people. ( would such things possibly happen in a democratic country ?)

Now ask yourself : if Russian people had been allowed to ridicule Putin anyway they wanted, would Putin have had the power over the richest man in Russia ?

Now ask yourself again : with the way westerners deprived power from their government, how the hell will a government help its people ?

Do you love to see Obama tell those wall-street tycoons to shut the f@#$ up ? well, give your government more power.

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By: Wahaha http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2009/06/15/ai-weiwei-all-thats-left-is-are-grass-mud-horses/comment-page-1/#comment-2864 Wahaha Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:51:21 +0000 http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/?p=1023#comment-2864 Custer, As usual, give me the moral argument. let me tell you : Westerners judge things by Right vs Wrong, Chinese judge things by result. Yes, it feels great bashing government, bashing your president, but how do you solve the problems ? Can you tell me how 46 states in US will solve the problems of their deficit ? With people non-stop complaining and protesting, even criminals have the right to protest for more moeny, how the hell will Governor Schwarzenegger find solution ? You think I dont like the freedom in America ? I LOVE IT !!! for god sake, BUT I RATHER AMERICAN GOVERNMENT TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME !!! Why ? cuz if government gives me the right to complain, it has to give those irreponsible the right; it has to give those lazy bones the right; it has to give criminals the right; it allows people to be greedy; it allows people to demand the money they dont deserve. AND AS A RESULT, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL SUFFER !!!! So when you judge what government does, please dont narrow it down to a single incident or couple dozen people, like Michael Fay's case. With all the technological advantage west has, US and West lose their power so quickly with such idiolism, only 30 years after losing control of oil price. LEARN YOUR LESSON !!! Custer,

As usual, give me the moral argument. let me tell you : Westerners judge things by Right vs Wrong, Chinese judge things by result.

Yes, it feels great bashing government, bashing your president, but how do you solve the problems ? Can you tell me how 46 states in US will solve the problems of their deficit ? With people non-stop complaining and protesting, even criminals have the right to protest for more moeny, how the hell will Governor Schwarzenegger find solution ?

You think I dont like the freedom in America ? I LOVE IT !!! for god sake, BUT I RATHER AMERICAN GOVERNMENT TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME !!! Why ? cuz if government gives me the right to complain, it has to give those irreponsible the right; it has to give those lazy bones the right; it has to give criminals the right; it allows people to be greedy; it allows people to demand the money they dont deserve. AND AS A RESULT, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL SUFFER !!!!

So when you judge what government does, please dont narrow it down to a single incident or couple dozen people, like Michael Fay’s case. With all the technological advantage west has, US and West lose their power so quickly with such idiolism, only 30 years after losing control of oil price. LEARN YOUR LESSON !!!

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